All right, everyone, this is Mixed Strange and I'm here with the beautiful and talented and very young m She's not, she's older than a teenager. People. Okay, let's say very young. I'm not. You know, she's twenty nine and a half. I am. Hey, we're here back with the CSD Crazy Strange Days. Supernatural episode seven and in the Winchester's world of super nic Natural, the TV show, this is called Asylum, and this is episode ten of season one, So if you remember correctly, we go ahead and loosely base our episode on the critters creatures monsters that Sam and Dean Winchester actually hunt from episode to episode, and that's how we determine. Sometimes we combined more than one, like two if there's not enough meat on the bone there in the episode, but we find it. It's a show we really enjoy. I know I've gone through this before. It's been a couple of weeks since we've actually done one, maybe longer. We had a bunch in the bank and then we got busy with some other stuff, so they rolled out and we've missed a week as far as the release has gone. But we enjoyed the show a few years back. We actually you know, binged them all, you know, the backstory on our story of how we liked the show so much we thought we'd kind of have fun with it. So here we are and we're covering asylum. And this is actually one of my favorite episodes. It's almost like a mini movie, like a cheesy, beeflick horror movie. Yeah, but in like you know, the forty minute genre whatever, the hour episode. So I guess I'll read And this is from Supernatural dot fandom dot com Supernatural Wiki. Sam and Dean investigate a mental asylum. Sam and Dean investigate and abandoned sanitorium and discover that when the hospital was open, the patients held a revolt against the cruel and unusual punishments inflicted by the head doctor. While the brothers searched the premise for four lost college students, the tortured spirits caused them to go insane, turning Dean against Sam. Ye, so it's a spook It's kind of a jump scare spooky one. It's like your traditional Yeah, I mean, obviously there's ghosts in the asylum, right, so there are kids, as they said, well, like most places, if you have an old abandoned building. Teenage kids are drawn to those things. They tend to go to them. And in the show, actually towards the beginning, there were some kids in there. A cop came to basically get him out of there, and then why I think there might have been two. The one ended up going into the house try looking for the kids, and then you know, they got him out right, said go home. And then one cop ends up getting possessed. So later he goes home when he shoots his wife right and sells himself. Yeah, and then so then obviously later on more kids are back there. There's four latch lost college students when Sam and Dean come across this property as well, so they're in there telling the kids get out, you know, and because they know something is going on obviously, and some of the kids didn't listen, they end up getting separated. So going through you know, the whole facility, it's obviously quite large as they try to find these these kids. And I'll be talking about Waverly Hills Sanatorium in relation. This is kind of where I came across the good location a haunted and it's maybe it's not a sanate, you know, an insane asylum, but it's a sanatorium where a lot of people had I mean, is there anything else we want to cover? No, I was just going to give a little bit in the background, a couple more things that I had. It said that, you know, obviously his kids were not only in there, but I had a comment that they were orbs in a video, so they must have been walking around with cameras trying to ghost whatever. And then then the doctor ends up attacking Sam. So the doctor spirits there and he's in his lair where evidently he when the riot they tried to get to him, all the punished patients because this guy was Mangala style experiments on these and this is back in the twenties or thirties or something, way back when there weren't as many you know, regulations in oversights. So he was not only so he was basically experimenting on these people. And so he was hanging out where he did all those things. So there was all these hospital beds and that's the room he tended to be in, and it's like a dungeon. Yeah, where he is, but and he he hit he They they find his bones eventually. Yeah, So Sam is running and walking around that room and then he's obviously he noticed things, and then he ends up getting possessed by that doctor in the basement, and then Dean's starting to look for him and ends up finding him, I think, realizes that obviously he's possessed and has to figure out how to help his brother. They end up finding the doctor's bones in this cabinet. So he must have hidden there while the patients broke out, you know, and started because they said they killed some of the patients also killed guards and things of that nature. So and even some doctors and nurses maybe just because they were part of Yeah, so they were obviously upset from what was happening to themselves and they're you know, maybe the other patients. So he hidden in that cabinet, he must have not been able to get out and died in it. So when they found the bones, traditionally in the show, what they do to get rid of the spirit is they salt or put gas and they burn the bones. They both usually salt, and then I guess to trap the bottom and bring this draw the spirit back to the body and laid it on fire so it has no more connection to this earthly plane. Is what I gather, Yeah, so that's what he did, and that's how he saves Sam. So, but it's a really good episode. It's a lot of fun jump scares, stuff like that and homage to a lot of slasher thrillers. You know. So and this reminds me sort of. I mean, I know that the people over at the Waverley Waverley Hills Sanatorium, it was a tuberculosis facility Waverly Hills, and it's super famous. Everybody that is into the paranormal TV shows, ghost Hunter shows know of this place. It is like a notori and you can go there today for tours and it's notorious. It is. Well, I'm going to go ahead and read a lot from this website I found at cdn dot watch dot a e t ND dot com. I'm not even sure exactly what it is, but it's really interesting because they break it all down and then I think TAPS was there ghost Hunters and they did some investigations there three or four times. But so it starts out, can the most terrifying building in America become even more haunted? The souls trapped in Waverly Hills have tormented visitors for decades, but recent events are a completely new kind of horror. So the owner, Tina maddingly knows Waverley Hills better than anyone alive. She thought she had seen and heard it all in the former sanatorium, but frightening new paranormal activity is leaving Tina baffled. Now she has no choice but to turn to the only team she can trust to provide her with answers. So I guess that's ghost Hunters. So the paranormal activity. Past Ghost Tunner teams have seen full apparitions, apparitions, shadow figures crawling on the walls. That's the creeper. If you guys know anything about some of the investigations, they started seeing this thing like the shadow man involved and evolved into this creeper guy that they'll be more descriptions down. Yeah, real creepy man. And they've caught it on film a couple of times. So investigators have been touched, grabbed, have had items thrown at them. So this talks Grant and Jason so if I remember correctly, and Steven Tango, those guys were from TAPS. So I'm not sure why they say ghost hunters, but whatever, maybe I'm wrong. So Disembodied conversations, growling, and this is all like the activities kind of because there's so many floors. Did you pull it up on your pull up a Waverley Hills Sanatorium or just Waverly Hills and you'll get a feel for this place. It's immense. There was even a little tunnel so like deliveries would be brought in and so people wouldn't because it was it was for I'm going to get into the history, but just a little. What I remember is before antibiotics, tuberculosis was a serious you know, it was a serious thing, and they thought it was super contagious and I'm not really sure. I think maybe it is. Maybe it is contagious and you need quarantined. But uh so, they would get deliveries from the outside. I mean they even had their own gardens. And then nurses and doctors that worked here did not ever leave the property because they were afraid of them exposing the public. Everybody kind of knew that they were going to live and die here. It's kind of weird. Why would you volunteer for We're not volunteer at a job. Well, yeah they did, I mean they kind of did volunteer for it. I don't know if it was like, you know, these are like crusaders for this cause maybe they were going to because they did a lot of experimentation. They did a lot of like they would collapse along to give the lung the rest. And it was and what I really remember was, oh, this tunnel. I don't know if I finished. So the like outdoor deliveries would come through this long tunnel, they would just stage it outside and then leave. They wouldn't be close to it like this. Whoever the stewards or I don't know, the I don't know the the help I guess what are they called orderlies? Yeah, where maintenance guys would come pick that up and ticket through this long, hundreds of foot long tunnel. And I don't know if they had I don't know. The tunnel is a pretty trippy place when people do the ghost hunts there but here and you know, tunnels echo and yeah, you know they distort sounds. So I don't know if it's physically or actually haunted, but it's a scary place. I guess we'll get into this historical snapshot of this place as they give it. It's kind of creepy. They have like but they have gargoyles in front of the building and like mine, would you print in front of a building like that? Yeah, even like some of the children of the patients had to stay there, Like at first there was people in tents living in tents. They for some reason they thought the cold in the buildings designed to have like windows open and stuff, certain floors, they'd have them breathe cold air. And you remember we've been to that mansion, I guess back in the nineteen hundreds. They thought they had that cold room. Like the guys slept out in the winter in this like breeze room. Yeah, you know, of course he'd have like his water bottle, hot water bottles and tons of blankets and ship but there was like four sided screens with his bed. It was his bedroom. Yeah, and they thought that was actually very good for you to breathe the cold winter air well. I mean, traditionally hospitals always kept the temperature colder because any warmer temperatures bacterias stuff. So it's not like that anymore. Yeah, they've warmed it up. Maybe they just think that they have enough medicine to kill the bacteria that they wanted to do that. But yeah, used to be freezing cold because you would get those old blankets. Yeah, you be like, give me one of those blank blankets. Were awesome. But pria, see I see a picture it says nineteen ten to nineteen sixty one, so it was actually around until the sixties. Yeah, well what happened? And it gets into it a little bit in this little snapshot. In the early nineteen hundreds, Jefferson County, Kentucky was overrun with tuberculosis. And they're saying it's really because of like the Ohio River Valley. I guess the bacteria. I don't know what is tuberculosis bacteria based or well, regardless, it really spread fast and wet, you know, swampy regions. So and this is Kentucky, which borders Ohio, and the Howe River between the two cuts the borders. But an effort to contain the disease, the Waverly Hills Sanatorium was opened outside of Louisville, but the number of TB cases continued to rise, so expansions were made in the mid to nineteen twenties to accommodate more patients. And you see it's an immense building. It is quite large. Yeah, and it's like that early I don't even know what architecture. This would be some kind of revival Edward. I don't know. It looks kind of like Castley in the main building, but you know, with a faux tower. But yeah, so it's not a pretty pretty building. It's a very intimidating, very stoic, hard yeah, hard, long and square, rectangular building kind and like you said, it's in the middle of nowhere, so it's just sticking out. It's in beautiful country. Yeah, yeah, no, it's pretty, but I mean it's just the only thing there, and it's just so literally, I mean, you see some buildings and stuff. I think that's where a lot of the workers lived. I mean, like I said, patients. I mean they're talking like the nineteen hundreds, nineteen twenties, when there was no like federalized health or patients like rights. I guess Bill of Rights. Yet the Great Society whatever for its ills and goods. But so I don't know how you would even get into this place. If it costs a lot of money. You know, you had to be rich to get in this joint. But thousands and thousands of patients, but they grew their own foods. They had to do a lot of and they burnt bodies here. I believe they had a crematorium. That would make sense because they didn't mean you're not going to have somebody pick it up and take it into regular cemetery might spread the disease. Yeah, And it started out the county donated like twenty five grand to build a facility. Until then people were staying in tents even in the winter. Just really it's like its own little compound slash kingdom, you know. I don't know it was no like I said, there were certain meat points where you'd stage and drop off supplies that they couldn't create themselves. And I don't know if they even had like seamstresses and like made their own clothes and stuff. I remember maybe something like it was almost self sufficient, like it was its own little city. Yeah, it kind of have to be, because how would you get if you were cutting yourself off in the rest of the world, Like you said, you still need clothes. I mean they would be wearing more like hospital gown type of thing, but still you need them, right, So they might have had somebody a drop off fabric and as you said, people make it too. And I don't know if that was during its whole forty years, sixty years whatever until it shut down because I know we by the time we discovered a certain antibiotics that could deal with it, that it was a whole lot less lethal. Yeah, like ten percent was lethal of a hundred case is treated. But so they made expansions in the mid twenties, and I guess this is what we're looking at now, is like the couple wings off of it. By the nineteen sixties, an antibiotic had all but eradicated TB. So Waverley was converted into wood Haven Jerry Atric facility in nineteen sixty two. Dude, Like, where were they getting all these patients from to come here as a retirement home. I guess Louisville. I don't know, because you know, look, I mean we're looking at but those are older pictures. Yeah, it could have been built up around by that point. I don't know. So it closed twenty one years later after reports of overcrowding, abuse and neglect. And that's a common Excuse me, that's a common theme in the mid nineteen hundreds with I mean, even Geraldo Rivera was like busting stories and breaking into these especially mental asylums where these poor were just laying in their own poop for days, not clean rocking. You know, there's some horrible footage if I can't remember what that. There's a a child killer kidnapper that lived. I can't remember what they called him. It's almost like a urban myth. But I just saw a doc on it, and it was actually a guy that used to work at these facilities. But they were all like closed down, so hobos and drug addicts and were living and it was all overgrown. Yeah, and they used to tell camp stories at a camp nearby, and I forget what they called this, this urban myth, urban legend, but it actually turned out to be a dude that used to work there. It had like a sixty IQ and he thought he was you know, with a lot of serial killers, they kind of think like that they're saving children, and you know, they talk to God and stuff. Joker and I just covered one on Edward Fish, Albert Fish, and he thought that he was saving them for God by killing them. Just real twisted shit, right, So well enough of that, but and I wish I could remember this guy's name. But so you get facilities like this that my guess to My point is a lot of atrocities happened. Yeah, people just left their mentally disabled. I mean you're talking from down syndrome to severely mental retardation to probably the people that were just paralyzed just you know, very Yeah, it was a grab bag of different types of patience because if you couldn't work and nobody could take care of you, then that's where they threw you, because they're like, you know, don't have anywhere else to send them. A hospital would only take care of you for so long. These were long term care facilities, you know, and as you said, when people were older too, and if they couldn't take care of themselves, and there wasn't because back before it probably more in the maybe like eighties nineties is when more people started sending older people to to senior living facilities, right well, because they were the generation that got probably like some of the first generations that got say security and their good pensions. Yeah. So but before that, a lot of times, yeah, your families would take care of you had multi families in one house. Yeah, and that's I think that you know, we've lived that way and at certain points of our lives, but it wasn't uncommon for people to have multi generations in one house. And I found it very helpful. I found it very because we could leave our child with a grandparent and take off and go do a weekend. No, I mean you have to find childcare. You had the wisdom of the older ones kind of bringing your children along. Yeah, I mean there's there's pluses and minuses, right, because then you also had to when they got when they got more sick than you had to take care of them. Me it'd be to come their nurse and stuff. So you know, yeah, pluses and minuses, but that was more common and before, like you said, before soul security, that's what you did because and it was more common in Europe before it was common here in the US because it took longer for them to have more of that you know change, and I guess their society than here, so they you know, still take care of a lot of their family. In Asia, it's very common, right, like they tend to take care of all. They honor their elders. They do honor their elders. But they also don't have a soil security type system or retirement type system. So the only thing you could do is your kids have to help take care of you. So so when that change, yeah, that's when you started seeing more senior homes and things like that. But those that were more again, like you said, severely mentally disabled, physically disabled, or just so old that there's somebody who couldn't really take care of them at home. No. Then those type of people were all thrown in, but they'd lock them all in, like twenty of them in a room, twenty you know. They manageable crowds basically where two three big dudes could come in and kick the shit out of them all if they were going crazy. I mean it was. It's a terrifying some of that footage from like the seventies of this Heraldo Rivera Rivera. It's the old guy you see now, the crazy liberal guy. But yeah, on Fox nudes that he was a news reporter. Yeah, like he was a hard hitting, the investigative reporter and he'd sneak into places and get video, you know. But yeah, it's very disturbing to see these poor There are forty year old people that have the IQ of a seven year old Noah, and it's just a sad thing. They're sitting in their own poop, their naked all day, sitting on concrete. Yeah, you just don't think like that people could treat other people that way. Yeah, you know, it's just especially if you're you know, if you're a healthcare worker, that's your job to take care of these people, and they just didn't care. It was just you know, I mean, anybody, well, there's only so much you could do too, well, there is. But and I'm not saying they all out of control. They weren't all like that either. I'm sure these were the more severe cases. I'm sure there are some people that were moving. I'm sure it was an insider and said, hey, you have to come frick and check this out and leave this door open. You get in this way and you come in with your cameras, and I think that's kind of how it went down. Well, yeah, exactly, So that's what I mean. There's probably something that felt that what was going on was not right. But those types of places to attract cruel people, they do because they know they can be in control, and they that's the type of shit they like. They're like beating a snot out of people that can't help them, you know, yeah, defend themselves or help themselves because in a real world situation they wouldn't be able to do that, so they take advantage of the week, right, So that's kind of it went from a place that really I think it was almost luck because these people, like these doctors early on in, these nurses and these people that work there doing certain jobs maintenance, some of their kind of giving up their freedom to help these patients. And you know, so it's just Huck's position to, yeah, take place of neglecting kind of cruelty and where people just dump their At the beginning, it probably was yet honorable and they, like you said, because they actually had to sacrifice, and because they had to live there too. They weren't allowed to interact with normal society, so they had to sacrifice a lot to take care of these people. So yeah, I f i't thick of a correct land, which I'm pretty sure I am. So the history deadly epidemic rages through the county and this is kind of like bulletpoint timeline July twenty sixth, nineteen ten. Waverley Hills opens during a time when tuberculosis was on the verge of becoming a full on epidemic in the area due to the swamp lands nearby. Nineteen twenty six, the building has expanded to accommodate up to four hundred patients, which is an upgrade from its original forty to fifty person capacity. That's what I was talking about, people intents, because they didn't have the capacity. Tuberculosis was spreading like wildfire in the area, so they needed all the space they could get. At the time, Waverley was considered the most advanced tuber tuberculosis facility in the country. This was despite electroshock therapy and other gruesome experiments that took place in attempts to find a cure for disease. I didn't know about that stuff. I know they were collapsing lungs and stuff and then reinflating them. They thought they were going to give the long arrest and see if that would stop the spread again. I don't know. Yeh, electric shock treatment, that's bad stuff. Death to note on site after becoming pregnant out of wedlock. Oh okay, there is this story. After becoming pregnant out of wedlock and getting an abortion, a nurse hanged herself in room five oh two, and she either was either a doctor or someone in a powerful position I think death to note on site number two, a nurse threw herself off the roof after being diagnosed with tuberculosis. A new era, nineteen sixty one strepto mycene, a herculosis crying antibiotic, began to greatly reduce the number of TV cases. By sixty one, there were so few cases that there was no longer a need for such a large hospital. In nineteen sixty two, Waverly Hill reopens, but this time as wood Haven Jerry Atric Facility. In nineteen eighty two, the building permanently closed its doors after allegations of understaffing, neglect, and abuse, including one case where an unintended elderly patient fell and died. Now I think there were big like open air. It could have even been on the rooftops where they would bring for open air. Yeah. I saw a picture here where there's a bunch of people sitting in It looked almost like a patio, you know. So they were just sitting there in chairs and they could see out, and it looks like the way they designed this so you can get the view of the woods. Because it's kind of like a zigzagh. It's kind of zigzaggy, so that makes sense. So that because if you're going to be trapped in a room the whole time, at least you can get a pretty decent view. Sorry, folks, we had to interrupt Big Doggie Burkin. So yeah, so we just wanted to say that that we do think, as you said, with the cold, but probably give them natural air. They thought that was good, like a part of the lung therapy. I think. Yeah. You see even see sometimes beds out there in open air situations and you see snow on the ground. It's I don't know if it I don't know. It may not have helped. Who knows. The science was still like in the infancy, but witchcraft back then, they were just trying anything. But yeah, as you said, lots of open areas, so who knows. And I think there I want to say there were more than like four hundred patients there at one time. But so they closed it down. The matting wings take over. So this couple buys to place in two thousand and one, after it sat in four I don't know, twenty plus years. Waverley Hills Sanatorium was purchased in two thousand and one by Charlie and Tina Maddingly to restore alongside Charlie's father, a former employee. Charlie's father passed away shortly after the restoration began, but Charlie and Tina continued the job in memory of his father. And this is what they were going to turn it into, like an old tu Yeah. I don't know what they were going to do because it closed after you know, so many years, almost twenty years as of old folks home, and then they bought it, you know, nineteen years later, and I don't know what they Maybe they were always intended to open it up as a ghost like touring tourist destination, legend tripping. Maybe now because what they do now you can book tours. Yeah, to go. You have to make it safe enough to have people walk, broken glass and all kinds of crap. But so the ghost hunter arrives. The ghost Hunter's team has investigated Waverley Hills three times prior two thousand and six, seven and eleven, so some of the paranormal activity and some of you may be aware of this place. It's like one of the top haunted spots in the United States, and it has a notorious reputation for some crazy hauntings and as that little write up set early on that I read like things are kind of intensifying and different activity is happening now. It's almost like it's gaining power from all these humans in here. I don't know, what do you mean, they're getting more sinister like like. Okay, so we'll start with some of the things they have written down here. Ball moving on its own, supposed to be a little boy in there something, our little kid that'll play ball with you about roll the ball back, because a lot of people will bring a ball when they come for this at this whatever floor in this area, it seems to be active. So during the Live Halloween special, Jason and Grant captured video of a ball that appeared to move on its own and roll approximately sixteen feet across the floor. Okay, so there's one instance, and I know, I think I just spoke of that because you know, people bring a ball and try to play with the little kid. Yeah, strange voices, noises, uh, Stephen Tango caught you have EVP excuse me Uncle Nick's Greek fried chicken. M So they caught an EVP of a distinct growl in the nurses ward. And we all know growls are usually growls and scratches and raps of three and scratches with three fingers is kind of like slapping the Holy Trinity in the face. It's usually considered and classified demonic activity. So Jason and Grant caught three overlapping voices on a recorder saying things like yeah, I see them. Steven Tango and Britt caught EVPs of light Femae. You know what EVP is electronic voice phenomenon. So you know my little digital recorder, and there's certain ones from certain years that are better than others. Yeah, I think the Panasonic from like that ninety I don't know, but that's like the coveted one because it does really well. But you just leave it and ask if you leave it at recording and you ask questions into an empty room or a haunted location whatever or cemetery, and you don't hear it at the time, but when you are doing your research and bringing all your your investigation together at home on your computers and stuff, you'll listen to it and you'll put it on like garage band, so you'll see the voice spikes and the noise spikes, and yeah, you know, kind of like when we're recording. Now I watch the board the whole time, and their voices are bing, bing, whatever, and then they start hearing stuff like people talking or growls. Like they'll be like, is anyone here with me? And then you know a lot of times they'll say like yeah, you'll hear a voice code yeah, or you know, monsters or whatever. So I don't know, it's kind of I've heard some that are really good, and I've heard some of them like, yeah, you don't know, that could be anything, and it could be any type of perhaps phenomenon just a normal scientific reason, geomagnetics, you know, I don't know, distortions voice, you know, lower frequency stuff that the human ear at the moment, not catching you know, I don't know. Some of them sound straight up like somebody's whispering into the money. Yeah, but you could if they left it there and they left their premises. Now a lot of them they sit there and they ask questions, Oh okay, so they try to have contact with it a chain of you know, as I say, if you left it and then walked away and then came back the next day, well it could have been somebody else in there just playing. Well, you can get these on those cameras too, right, they'll set up cameras in certain areas strategically, you know, and tripods maybe with like motion detector lights and you know whatever, infrared, and they try to catch stuff. So that's when you can kind of leave. But you know, you just can't leave a recorder later on, because like you said, anybody can creep up on it and mess with it Scooby Doo style. But you know, so they hear things like, yeah, I see them, Steve Tango and Brick caught EVPs of light, female moan inside the Body shoot, aka the death Tunnel. So I don't know if that's an actual shoot or it's that long tunnel that is at a hits on a decline and like maybe a twenty five degree angle. Yeah, I see a picture of that, and there's this way. It looks like one side's it's flat, so maybe it's yeah, and the other side's got steps so it's in the same tunnel and then yeah, So I don't know if they had like a not an elevator, but something that you could mechanically lower, because it looks like a body would get away from you if you were a dude pushing a gurney down hill. Yeah right, I don't know. I don't know because anytime I've seen it it's at a pretty good angle. Then it just dives down into darkness. Now, so you you know, and it's quite long, it is, Yeah, it looks pretty long's yeah, so obviously. Yeah, it's where they wheel the bodies out to bury them or burn them, as you say. And I think there was And I don't know if they're going to touch on this because I didn't do too much prereading on this. I just found this one and was good. But I think there was a crematorium there. It would make would have to if they were infected, they have to burn it. Yeah, that would make sense. Amy converse with the spirit through knocking after strange sounds were heard in the nurse's word mysterious touching. Nobody ever likes that no means no okay spirits. During an investigation on the fourth floor, Steve felt something grab his leg. After getting responses from what she thought was a child's spirit, Amy felt something touch her back on the fifth floor. Now here's the one I was telling you about a couple maybe last week. The shadow creature that I call it a creature now I don't know. I've seen some of the video and people that follow this, these ghost hunters and stuff like that, probably have seen this investigation where like the Creeper seemed to have started. Like an investigator would say, hey, I'm coming out next week to do Waverley and his buddy would be like, well, I was there last weekend and something real freaky happened, this thing I named the creeper. I'll show you that, I'm gonna shoot you the video whatever. And like around a certain time this started, this creeper creature started showing up okay shadow, Yeah, and it just became like people were seeing it like often. Yeah, so the shadow figure, it's a dark shadow figure referred to as the creeper. This gives me chills. It gives me. The Goosekin is seen crouching corners. When approached, it will often stand up and scale the wall and ceiling, like if you trap it in the corner, it'll just climb up and around. And the guess it can move fast too, like you'll see it just zip by you. Yeah. So, and that that's been the and I don't and you know, just like any footage you see, it's kind of inconclusive. I mean it could be a but you're saying that a dark bird, pigeon, I don't know, flying around in there. But you're saying people are still coming to this place today. Yeah. I haven't been real big into the whole haunted thing for a couple of years, you know that I've been diving deep into like conspiracies and stuff like that. But it used to be a big junkie on this stuff. And yeah, it was when I started getting kind of out of this stuff. This was showing up a lot. Yeah, and you know the advent from the nineties the shadow figures as a whole people being visited in their own homes by getting the Old Crone, you know, sleep paralysis and seeing shadowmen. That's like a common thing. Now it's not the Old Crone like in Europe it's the Old Crone. But this is like I don't know, of things evolve with time or it's just regional things are different. But now we're talking shadow figures. Yeah, not the Old Crone. And it's like hat Man is a shadow. There's different people we're seeing, Like old our Bell was around in the late nineties, Like this is when I started hearing about shadow figures and the hat man. Yeah crap like that becoming popular and it's stuck and it's grown, and here we are. We see him at ghost Tons. Now, I don't know if it's a another entity coming through a porthole. Yeah, dimensional type dude. But I wonder too if it's like you know, I mean, we have seen and heard many different places that you know, younger people and people have always young people have always played with leavy boards and things like that, but it seems to be a bit more common now. And there's so many people that are not they're atheist or whatever, and so they play with those things more than because you know, when we were younger, large swath of the population was Christian. So yeah, I mean I know kids that played with wheezy bords, I know kids that the devil shit, I know new kids that were into devils and yeah, but like I know, but like we listened to Art Bell and then you know, the power of prayer, and power of prayer in large numbers could keep things at bay, right, But now that you you know, churchgoers are down significantly, the number of people that believe in you know, God. I mean, we listened to Jonathan conn Andy said, you know, the number of people that believe in Christianity now is significantly lower, so you know, you have less of that. You know, if you're thinking like a yin and yang situation, you have less of the opposite. So maybe you're seeing more of these things come through because there's not an offset to it, right, you know. So it's kind of like maybe you know, cause be that and when we see that there's a rising even like people praising like the old Greek gods and Roman gods. Remember, So, yeah, when you have statues of Ball going up in New York and you know he was child sacrifice, child sacrifice. So and then not to get too crazy, and you think about how many abortions are done in the United States every year. But I mean, and this isn't a political this isn't them, not even Travis, when I'm sitting there cringing as you go down this road because we're almost done and we were Yeah, no, I'm just they're just taking it to somewhere else. And that's not what I meant for this episode. Well, I consider, yeah, it's just something to put for somebody a disturbance in the fullest nerds. Well, I mean but you think, like even our child was saying that, you know, our daughter that all over TikTok, there's kids that are like praising Saw, the Sun, God and all these athena and they have these altars. Are always they're putting altars, these dark Catholic girls or you know, they're usually the culprits but go all goth. Back in the day when I was young, Yeah, but it's so crazy. It's like who would have ever thought. I mean, yeah, we learned about all of them, but we didn't like people. I never knew if anybody made altars to them, you know, and they and did things that's crazy. You know. Now today there's so many just influences for barraging your child or young people through social media, through the internet. Not to sound like an old get off my grass guy, but you know, there's not as much parenting and there's not as much socializing in a normal way going outside and playing. So it's night and day to how I grew up. I'll just say it. And you know, we're pat like you said, you brought to the world. We're parents. So and certainly you know, anything in the news that frightens a parent frightens a parent and they react. So maybe there's a bit more helicopter and going on parenting instead of just you know, wildflower. It's more cultivated. I don't know. That's how I look at it, Like we're cultivating a fricking rose or two. You know, we're not just spreading the seeds and walking away. But kids do not play outside like they used to. Our kid does. But whatever, so you get into more shit. Okay, moving on. So the shadow figures were kind of going down that road. But it can be anything. Maybe it's a demon. I don't know who the hell. Anything called the creeper can't be good, you know, anything that can shoot up and off the floor from crouching and climb start climbing walls onto the ceilings. I don't know. Excuse me, I kind of call that demonic. I don't know. So witnessing a full body shadow figure on the fourth floor. This is Grant. When he tried to chase the strange figure, it disappeared. Britton Adams saw a shadow figure hiding in the morgue. So lots of shadow figures. Now they got some a little bit under thermal images, Jason and Grant Camps captured thermal imaging of disembodied legs very cool, possibly of a child crossing a corridor on the second floor. The same night, Steve also caught a similar thermal image of legs walking next to him. Not cool. Operations. Multiple apparitions. Why do I say, I always stumble on this word? Apparitions, apparitions, apparitions. Multiple apparitions, including child patients and doctors wearing lab coats, have been spotted throughout the property. It's just like memory, a time loop in Adamant. They're not conscious, they're just reliving this, you know, forget me in the spirit. It's just like an energy impression in time that loops. You know. I don't remember we we had listened one time. I think it was on art Bell or something with that psychic who said that she thought, when you see a ghost, you're really seeing it's and you see it in its own dimension. And a reason why it looks like it's floating is because it's walking on its own floor, but it's in a different dimension. And so it's not like two inch difference. Yeah, because of the vibrational plane. Yeah, so the plane closest to us is literally two inches off our ground. Yes, wherever you're standing, it is two inches higher. So it was an interesting contentant on the mountain, it's two inches high. It's the same. It's like almost when you see like jeez, I don't know, but yeah, it was just an interesting concept. Was like, oh, I guess I could see that, you know, if it's in another dimension, because the spirit has left this dimension, it's just walking around in its owner. It's just you and a different whole, different plane of existence, another dimension. You know. Even the Catholic Church think there's like thirteen dimensions. It's funny how they go ahead and they're always getting there. They're always throwing money at like observatories and you know all these UFO stuff. Yeah, I mean they're they're in. They're like out of all the Christian based religions, are the ones that believe mostly in the supernatural marks any other ones. For sure, they have observed they have a whole like the thing it's somewhere in Nevada or southern California where they own the mountaintop that they were fighting over the Native people's yeah, the Native American four and like it's all like NASA and them or something up there. Yeah, we listened to a story a collab. Yeah, we listened to a story with it was like a Native American they didn't want them to have it because it was like, yeah, sacred grounds and they and they said, well, you can build your observatory anywhere. They're like, there's another mountain over here that's really the same elevation, you know, you can get the same and they're like, no, it has to be this specific mountain. So the Native American culture, they said it was like a place where it was almost like a portal, a place of a portal. So they said, that's probably why they wanted it. Well, they had I don't know if this was in the nineties, I can't remember, you know, And they have scientists. They send fathers, monks and stuff to schools, some of the best schools in the world, universities like father Malachi Martin could translate twenty different dead languages, you know, and he came an exorcist and all these things. And they spend some if your talented, and they plucked him because of his mind. They plucked him right out of Ireland or Scotland, and Ireland or Scotland because you know, he was a hell of a student. Kind of a genius level type kid, and when they see talent, they recoup talent, just like the military, the government football teams, you know, just like any organization does. So they have scientists, they have PhD level geniuses that have all the resources that the largest corporation in the world can provide. You're talking government money. That's Rome, that's the Catholic Church. Yeah, I mean, you know there's so many the libraries you're not allowed in. You know, people get special access every once in a while, and they're just like, wow, they have like wings just on ghosts, aliens, case files, alien case files. I guess they study all this stuff. And they admitted aliens were real. Mm I think of the nineties, a bishop came out and said, yeah, he's like the head of this alien investigations where they you know, I don't know, yeah, yeah, okay, yep, but yeah, I mean it is odd. Why would why would it spend so much money? They had one of the most most powerful telescopes in the world and all this money on this observatory, and like you said, I think it was they worked a little bit with NASA, so it's like, what are they looking for? I don't know, we should do a show. I mean, maybe I need to do one with Old Shawn on Chasing Bad Joker. Yeah. Do like Vatican Conspiracies, there's a ton Yeah, yeah, sure. I mean, geez South, the thermal into the operations, apparitions got through that, the lab coats all that stuff, and I know there's just countless more stories like the story. I don't remember these guys coming across, but they must have come across the Creeper. But I remember a different researcher that coined the starting, giving it the name Creeper, and his account of it was super creepy for sure, Like the thing would follow you around, you'd turn and if you try to confront it, and if it was cornered, then it do that weird stuff and like climb the ceiling and crap, you know, super skeevie stuff. There flying entities. One camera caught something flying across the ceiling of a hallway. The entities seemed to come out of one wall and disappear through another. I don't know. It's probably a batter or a bird or whatever. This place is always dark. They never have lights on, you know, but there it is our asylum. Waverly Hills sanatorium. I think the the Winchesters are a little too much for this place. It'd be like too easy for them. And we'll find out what they I think next week is going to be Scarecrow or something. Yes, that's a cool pagan one, right, yeah, brought from the Old Country and brought to America and this little sleepy town or like pagan worshippers. It's a good one. So we'll have fun with that. Thanks for listening to everybody, And is there anything you want to touch on before we leave. No, it's a pretty creepy place. This isn't your world, so I should probably make make these stories a little They should bring like the scary the a a game stuff to you so you can get some reactions on the pod live. But the creeper is pretty freaky though, right yeah EVPs or yeah, like you said, those people that bought it, maybe they fixed it up. So you think, like you said, there's they have a website you can book tours. Yeah, I see it, Waverley Hills. It was on yelp. Look at it. It's open Monday through Friday from nine to five. I mean, yep, it's a thing. Anybody can go now, used to have like just like peeling paint all over the floors. And when you start seeing it early on in the ghost Hunter TV series and you know on TV the ghost Hunters go out there, it was super creepy. Yeah, and it looked dangerous and you'd hear like chunks of shit falling and banging down the hallways and just probably birds flying in and out. You're kicking a nest out by walking in onto that floor, you know. Yeah, but super sketch, scary, hairy place. Would I go there? I don't know. I don't really dig on ghosts too much. M. I do enjoy being scared, though, just like anybody else. But I got a pretty cool I hope you enjoyed. Like I said, we'll be back with some pagan a pagan show next week, so that one's gonna be fun. I've been mixed. Strange. That has been M What do you think? M? You're just kind of like, I'm looking at the pictures on yelp. Do you want to go there? Are you sitting there like? Oh yeah, family vacation, long weekend, Gavin Burg. It is alright, everyone, have a good night, goodbye. I love you, and I am out and then Daddy it ud
