Hello, everyone, Welcome back to Crazy Strange Days, Supernatural Episode five. What's up? M Nothing? Well, today, in our journey with the Boys, the Winchester Boys, we're going to be heading over to episode in the Supernatural series, episode seven and episode eight. We're going to combine those into our episode five. So the first one is going to be the hook Man, which there's a ton of urban I mean even Ohio has a version of the hook Man. Yeah, I guess every state pretty much, just like cry Baby Bridge, just like the Woman in White, just like all these things we touch upon now episode eight, the Bugs or Bugs. It's a bit of a twist and some say it's like the worst episode in the whole fifteen season series of Supernatural, which is saying quite a bit because there are some sketch ones that you're just like, eh, yeah, but it works because there's you know, action and whatever. But if you're a woman, you got Sam and Dean to look at. But like we go, we want to start with the first one though, hooked me. Yeah, So here's the episode synopsis. Is that what it's called? Yeah, kind of the preview, Sam and Dean encountered the hook Man. So the infamous Hookman, a vengeful spirit who kills his victims with a shiny hook that serves as his hand, terrorizes a small college town in Iowa. Sam and Dean learned that all the victims are connected to the daughter of a local minister and race to find and destroy the Hookman's bones before he comes for them. So a lot of the ghosts and hauntings, and I guess he's considered a ghost in this series they have to destroy. They have to find the bones and burn the bones, basically insult them. And that's how they can get rid of most hauntings and ghosts, especially malevolent ones. So that's kind of their modus operandi when it comes to taking care of vengeful spirits and you know those types of beasties. The second one, but I guess I'll hold off on the second on until we get there. In the show, though, so they show the again, like you said, probably pretty common in many states. They show a couple sitting in a car in like a wooded area lovers lane. Yeah, I'm gonna be making out. And uh, there's a man they said, hanging from the bridge with the class ring. So their car must have been under a bridge and it's just the ring is dragging across the roof of the car so they can hear that noise. Yeah, and that's that's the local legend. Out here in northeast Ohio. We have a place called Five Points where all the kids used to drive out to and let's just we actually we live out there now, which is a hoot. People don't know you're giving me. You're rolling your eyes so like, and everybody, all the high school kids in the city would come out here and to scare their girlfriends. So there's all kinds of legends and stories out here or around Five Points, and one was you know, you turned down the dark and it's almost like those roads in the country in the in the woods where it's almost like a tunnel because the trees grow over, the canopy grows over the the road and it's beautiful in the day because it looks like a tunnel, and at night it's super dark. Ye because so you pull over to the side and you know, you're listening to the music. And this as a story goes in our legend, our local legend. It was like the fifties, one of them big old cars, all the boys, you know, letterman jackets and class rings or whatever, and they're making out and they hear a noise or something bump the car. The boy gets out to go check because she's like, ah, go check, come scared, So he gets out. He never comes back. But what she hears is this on the roof, you know, the metal roof, you know, the scraping of the class what turns out to be the class ring. And then morning she gets up and gets out of the car because she was frightened the whole night, you know. And at dawn breaks she gets out and sees the body of her boyfriend hanging from a tree and a knuckle dragging with the crock class ring. That's the noise she heard all night. So that was our local legend. This one varies because it's like as far as the storyline, like this hook got melted down. I guess it was a was like a killer in town and they the church elders or something did something about this guy and they and they killed him or lynched them. Yeah, I don't remember if it was something like that. And what they did they burnt down apparently. Yeah, the hook was melted and made into objects. And one of the things that was made into was a metal cross because the character in the story, the the girl was the preacher's daughter. And so the hook man was I don't know if it was the intent, was you know, him coming after trying to get all the pieces and parts that made up his hook or that's just how he was able to his spirit was attached to these things. Yeah, and so he was able to roam wherever they were, I guess, and not you know, relegated to one location. So he was killing you know, people, et cetera. And like we said, the boys had to chase him down take care of business because they couldn't get all they couldn't figure out like what items they thought, okay, the cross, and they destroyed that or whatever salted it burned, had melted it. Tried to destroy it and it didn't work. Yeah, So that's how I found out there was other pieces because it wasn't just one isolated item, it was many items because it was melted. Now, you know, as we said, this is a common urban legend throughout the United States, has been around for a long time, you know, the late fifties, early sixties. It even made deer Abby a girl in that because deer Abbey obviously has been many people. Yeah, you know, throughout the years. So back in the I think nineteen sixty there was a newspaper clipping. People have found that it was a deer Abby, Oh yeah, nineteen sixty and and that's if you're not aware, what it is is an advice column, usually some pretty basic stuff. But a young girl wrote in about the hook man and how she's afraid. She's like, I'm not going to make out with boys at Lovers Lane and all these things, you know, And I think maybe it was just kind of a warning because the times are very conservative, and maybe it wasn't really a you know, who knows how much you know, dear Abby's writing these questions for themselves. The newspaper is just could be political too. They just kind of use that as a vehicle to get some message across, I guess. So teens don't be going out in the woods and having sacks, premarital sacks. You know, this is right after World War two. Things are you know? Well, one thing that the show to the link win see. The one thing that the show mentioned was a man named Jacob Karnes. And according to some of the stuff that I've looked up. It says that pastor Jacob Carnes, also known as the hook Man, this is eighteen sixty two, and that's what they stayed in the show eighteen sixty two a preacher named Jacob Karnes. Hold up, this is a real guy. Yeah, they mentioned it in the show. I thought it was just some part of the storyline. Well, I don't know. This is on Villains dot fandom dot cast, so it's not real. Maybe it's not real, but it says eighteen sixty two, the preacher named Jacob Carnes was angry over the red light district in town on nine Mile Road, and he killed thirteen prostitutes. It was written that some of the deceased were found in their beds sheets soaked with blood. Others suspended upside down from limbs of trees as a warning against the sins of the flesh. Yeah, so that's why you often find them hanging in a tree and the ring is on the roof of the car. Blah blah blah. In some of the stories. That's interesting though, because that I forgot all about that. But so that was his spirit, you know, And in some of the other because there's different variations like a crazy what the insane asylum back in the day, the psych word whatever. This guy busted out and he had a hook for a hand. I don't know why you would have criminally insane. You know, it was like a prison. The story goes like why he would have a hook as a hand in the hospital. Yeah, you know, you don't really give the inmates weapons. But so he escapes. He has his hook hand and he's trying to get in the car and some of the stories and they're not really sure, but he's like banging. They hear banging in the car. The girl wanted and she's like, let's go, let's go, let's go. And they never see him, but they tear off and take rip the hook off this guy's hand. So when the next day they see a hook embedded, it's almost like a sickle, like, you know, we not necessarily like a pirate hook. I guess, yeah, it's like a scythe, a hand scythe or something that's stuck in the car. And you know, they were lucky, lucky to escape with their lives. But so, I mean that's pretty much. It is not much to the story. But but I think everyone's familiar. You know, I'm familiar with it. I heard, you know, these stories when I was younger, and they're all over the place. But I also know and I can't remember if I saw this on like Discovery or History Channel, you know, ghost stories whatever, but they there was a real man and I think he came back from World War Two and he had some sort of traumatic brain injury and you could see the scars on his head like you knew he'd probably caught some shrapnel or bullet or something and he was never quite right. And this is a real story. And he didn't go on a killing spree, but he did either. He may have killed one or two people, but he attacked like a half a dozen people in mostly teenagers at Lover's Lane, but he shot them. He didn't have I don't believe he had the hook. But it was like one of the origin stories like that was, you know, the type of story that was going around. And then kids, you know, kids do manifested into something else, an urban legend, so and it's it was. It's pretty scary as it is because he like shoots the girl shoots the and there may have been I don't want to trigger anybody like rape involved, but the boy was able. He had a couple of gunshot wounds and he was able to run to a farmhouse and then you know, the man hunting ensued in et cetera. But they ended up catching the guy's Okay, solved. But that's about it other than a serial killer from Ohio called the hook Man. And I have no idea why they call him the hook man because he used the gun in a shotgun every time he killed somebody. Yeah, you know, very bizarre. I like, where's the hook in the hook Man? You know that's stupid, But that may be a show for since we like to do serial killers and true crime over at Chasing Bad. I have to look him up and do more research because he's a typical nut job that we work on on that podcast. But so what we have next, I mean it is short and sweet. What we have next is and we'll read you the descript of episode eight. Bugs, a swarm of insects attack a community after construction worker is killed by insects burrowing into his brain, which sucks. I don't like that. Sam and Dean investigate the town's history and find that the new housing development is being built on sacred Native American land. The Native Americans put a curse on the land after their reservation reservation had been ravished and destroyed. Sam and Dean must find a way to survive and kill the deadly swarm of bees, locusts, spiders, and beetles and whatever was eaten that guy's brain. Yeah. So, and I mean, obviously we go to the the world of the paranormal and the obvious supernatural and we get into well, in the show, there was you know, like with every show, they try to figure out what they're dealing with, so they know how to try to figure out how to like what kind of weapon or you know, whatever chant or something they have to use against what they're facing. So as they're trying to ponder through coming, some of the things that came up where they're like, well, hauntings can't have bug manifestations related attached to it, so maybe it's a haunting. Right. Another thing was they commented it could be that's usually a in the presence of a demonic spirit. And the home. Yeah, tons of flies, flies, so many flies that there's no source, you know, to find a dead raccoon in a basement or anything. Yeah, and the other one was, Okay, maybe it could be an elemental that he goes, they can have connections with animals generally, but he goes, maybe they could have connections with insects too. It's possible maybe. So those were some of the theories that they had come up with, but obviously as we read the description there, it ended up being a you know, related to a curse put on the land from a Native American. Well, yeah, but prior to that, you know, many more people were dying. Yeah, apparently it was happening over time. You know. They said they found several skulls in the woods and they brought it to a professor of anthropology and he said the skulls were probably around one hundred and seventy years old, and then that that led them to down the path that you know, this was sick. They they went and talked to a local Native American. Yeah, and he said that during six days, I guess they attacked this tribe like wipe the tribe bat existence. What I have written is, uh, they said the American cavalry came and they hardered and raped repeatedly every night for six days. And then what the sixth day is when the actual chief was killed. Were there you go or something difference. Yeah, so that's you know, this this last six days or almost it stopped. The curse lasts for six days and it's supposed to. So he basically they cursed the land, that he put a spell on the land that nature would rise up and kill the white man on the land. And then so obviously this developments put in many white people were buying the different homes and things. So there was a hole that one of the workers fell into and he's the one that had his you know, so you know, really fast, like within a minuet of you know, a few minutes, they see these animals boring, their insects boring in and out of his brain, his head, his skull, his nose, eye's mouth. So that was the first day. And you know the connection is curses, right, Native American curses, you know the chief the biggest one that comes to my mind because it's almost it's about four or five hours away and everybody's going to know. Yeah, some of the stories that go. You know that Chief Cornstock who fought this settlers you know in West Virginia. This is Point Pleasant, Yeah, you know that was their land, but they became eventually became friendly. He did war with them, He was a war leader against the settlers, but they came to some kind of treaty and an agreement, right, a treaty, normal treaty. You stay over there when we won't bother you. We just want this land here. We'll live in harmony and peace, as the white man always, you know, says, until they want more. And so what happens is they have a meeting and I don't know how many people, but Chief Cornstock is betrayed. His I think believe his son and himself were killed at that meeting. And there's some other things too. There was like a megalithic site, and I think it was the if I remember correctly, there's some kind of author offering author from the Death Sun Cult, the Southern Sun Death Cult or something that was some kind of tribe way back that was you know, obviously religion surrounded death. Yeah, you know, whatever they're worshiping was. And I really don't think people are really aware, like anthropologists or archaeologists, or that's just like a name like they give to like the Adena earth Mounds, like the Hope Well Indians. That's actually the Hope well where the farmers the mound was on. Yeah, that's so they call them the Adena people, which I don't even know if that's really correct if you ask Native Americans. Yeah, it's almost like a mythological race of people that built these mounds. Yeah, because they don't know who. I really don't, and quite honestly, the Native Americans are always like, no, the giants did that. You know, we didn't. We had nothing to do with it. And you know what I mean, it's just like the Egyptians. It's just like South American cultures, like there's an earlier culture, but then the later cultures kind of build upon those sites. Or like in Egypt, the new pharaoh just erase everything and put all his of inscriptions on the high of the highly hieroglyphics. Yeah, they just change history in a way. They see it empty and they're like, oh, I can take this over. Yeah. There's a church in Mexico. Is it was it Mexico or yeah, I believe it's somewhere in Mexico. It's on this giant hill. The Spanish built a church on top of it. Yeah, kind of like a fortress church, but under that it's really it's on a flat plane or something. It's a man. It's like there's a pyramid underneath it and some older stuff, so it's like were just built on. Yeah, So I don't know exactly what that. My point is, I don't think we're sure if that, if that shrine or altar was related to that tribe of Indians or not, doesn't have anything to do with the curse. I have no idea. But there is the curse of Chief Cornstock, and spinning out of that, a lot of bad things happened that they blamed on the curse. You know, floods because they're on the Ohio River, you know, or you know, you know, blight and crops or you name it. Yeah, they blamed it on the curse a Chief Cornstock. And of course the Mothman comes from that region and he was a harbinger of doom and death. This olver Bridge collapse, you know, all these things leading up to that. And it's a very very strange place that southeast Ohio and that portion of I guess I don't know if that's southeast, no, that would be northern northeast West Virginia. Like it's a super strange. You have the Mothman, all the UFOs, all those weird things across the bridge is I can't remember the name. It's right across the bridges Ohio, and a lot of stuff happens in that area. It's so haunted there, Athens area, you know, southeast Ohio is nuts. It's just filled with hot like Athens is one of the honest hauntedest place haunted is most haunted, most haunted places. This is like, is this our second episode, this second podcast today? I've got another one to do too. I better take a nap. But it's just a weird in its water right, And the Alleghanies come from a tribe you know that's reportedly where the giants lived. Yeah, apparently, you know the Ohio River and the Alleghanies are named after that ancient tribe of people, Indian giants. Yeah. Well they're usually like white or red haired or light skinned. You know. It's just really odd and how the Smithsonian like disappears all that lore. Yep. Yeah, But when you talk about curses on like land or property or whatever, like I was listening the other day to something with them. I actually had a La mar Zuli and it had a tom Horn who recently actually passed away, and then it was a third man. I can't remember his name. I think he belongs to that prophecy Watchers YouTube channel. But they were talking about, you know, he went to go visit a preacher out this is over and I don't know, Oregon or something, Idaho somewhere out there, right, And he said he was talking to him and the preacher had I guess a lot of his congregation or people that lived around his church called the local police you know, and said, oh, you know, there's somebody in your church. And they're like, must be throwing a party or someth because the lights are flickering on and off and doing all this stuff. And he said, so he's like what, And so he him and the police officer go to the church. They opened the door and then uh, there's nobody there, right, And the so the police officer walks in, He checks the whole perimeter and in the basement anywhere. Yeah, and he's like nothing. And he comes back out and the pastor's actually in the car the police car had hiding and then they were because they were like what, you know, But when they got there, he saw nothing, right, And so the next day I guess he went and did some research on the property, and uh, he called the pastor and said, hey, you know, I found out that this because I guess the property sat empty for at least maybe a decade and the church bought it, renovated it, you know, all this stuff. And so he found out the property was actually the last owner was basically like a devil worshiping cult, and they they dedicated the land in the building to evil wandering spirits. So as they created a porthole, left it open and yeah, so basically said you know, if you're wandering and you're evil and you need a place to hang or chill, you can just come to this church, you know. And so in the evening or whatever, there wasn't a church service because that would obviously keep them at bay. Yeah, that's a lot of exactly so, but when nobody was there, they were in there having fun. And then so when the people of the city, I guess they all came together prayed over the building, well actually they demolished it. They prayed over the land and they said, nothing else is happening. There's a group of women. I can't remember if that's Laura Sanger. I think doctor Laura's Sanger and like her crew, there's super spiritual, you know, believers in Christ, and they go they'll go around the country and basically clean land just by doing these powerful prayers. Yeah, because the same thing they said, land can be cursed. Sure, it depends on what's done there. I mean there's residuals. I mean just a lot of a lot of evils done there. Yeah. What about Getty's Burg one of the most audit that destruction terrible, terrifying, frightening experiences just getting replayed a lot of that. It's just yeah. So yeah, so they rebuild a church across the street. But like I said, they prayed over that land a multitude of people, and they said nothing else happened ever since. So they plunged it. They don't want to be there though, No, no, they don't want to be in that building. I don't blame them. I would be running for the hills man. You know, we've got another and this is the Skinwalker Ranch. Every it's out in Utah. That's I'm going to give this curse because natives cursed each other too, land the white man, they cursed other natives. Their spirits and gods could curse you know, a group of tribe. But with the Skinwalker ranch, now that place, that whole area is just it's just not that ranch. It's like the surrounding lands around there are very mysterious for hundreds of years. The Utes, and I believe it's the Apache would see there's a Navajo. It's a Navajo. My bad. Obviously Navajo skinwalkers seeing skinwalkers, but I'm going to do it for this episode. They they've been seeing UFOs and balls of light and all kinds of crazy like creatures coming out of portals, all the the mythos that you hear this, you know the you know Bigelow's what was that? And it's not nids? Maybe it is nids, but their scientific approach when they purchased that property after the Shermans got off that ranch, after they saw the dire wolf and a lot of other stuff. So Bigelow and his group of scientists, I mean Edgar Mitchell was one of the scientists. Oh geez, a colonel. I can't remember, like really experienced scientific matter of fact people, You've got an astronut who holds degrees and scientific degrees, aerospace all this stuff. They were on the board of this and they're the ones that kind of decided how the teams that stayed there were going to do the experiments. So it's just not a bunch of bunch of you, you know, dudes with EMF readers and cameras and gears like taps or something. Ghost. They had sophisticated systems and lots of money dumped into it and even had a government at like a twenty million dollar government grant pushed into it through uh Harry Reid and those people, and listen they found they found so much evidence of like portals and UFOs, the cattle mutilations, weird critters running around, you name it. And there's a TV show now because there's a new owner and he's attacking it with scientists that are doing different experiments. You know, you're not supposed to dig the ground there, because stuff happens. People have come under attack, they get spikes of radiation and start passing out heart palpitations when they don't have any heart issues. They're in their thirties, forties, whatever, healthy young men. A lot of ex military contractors were running security there during Bigelow's time. Now this is this real estate developers. Got his buddy called Dragon which this guy's makes me laugh. I'm like, oh, yeah, he's a dragon. He's just a security dude. I don't even know. It's just his friend. He's got all his friends working there. But then you have some good, good scientists. Travis Taylor, he's awesome, nast guy, worked on classified stuff. You know, he's a rocket scientist, got a couple of different degrees. Got that he's from like Alabama or something, So everybody thinks he's a hill billy, but he's like, he's a he's a genius. And I actually love the show. But they go into the folklore. Now the Navajo. Evidently Navajo and Uts bump territories, feuds, war warring tribes didn't always get along a couple hundred years, and the Utes were enslaved by them for a bit of time, I believe, And so the Utes cursed. Right, we're back to the curses Native American curses and probably how powerful they are, because I mean, this is either a result or this is just a very mysterious place that probably has a lot of energy. And if you want to do magic, I guess that might be the place to do it. It might amplify it. Yeah, but they cursed the Navajo, and now the Navajo have the Skinwalker on that ranch. It borders a ridge called Skinwalker Ridge, I believe. And what that ridge is, No, it's a sacred place. Nobody goes there. The natives do not, never have, will not. They don't like it. So I mean that's even more indicative of very strain powerful anomalies. Geomagnetic, I don't know, Electrical, I don't know. I don't know if it's on a thirty third parallel, you know, like the power grid thing whatever, lay lines, But so that they it's kind of like the highway for the skinwalkers. That's where they travel, they go back and forth, whatever that mythos is. So that's really it. That's it's just that's I mean, that kind of goes hand in hand with Skinwalker Ranch, and that's where it's located. Yeah, that was the designation. Nobody goes there's that's where the skinwalkers kind of it's their highway or the pathways up on that ridge. And the Utes believe it. Obviously they cursed. So it's just crazy and it's it's just it's just an intriguing set of experiments and happen happenings and all that stuff from UFOs to bigfoots materializing out of you know, people from the old crew under Bigelow physically saw like at night, they'd see a circle with daylight and sky through it and and otherwise pitch black, and they witnessed like a UFO zip out of it, or creatures walking, weird creatures walking through a door for sure, and then something came through. And they don't, they don't. They don't really publicize too much. George Knapp did a book with Colin Kelleher, which was a scientist there. They did a book about it. So, I mean, it's just a really mysterious and secretive place. So I mean I think that wraps it up. Yeah you think. I mean, I mean, obviously you can go down many now, we can keep doing curses. I mean the Hookman's pretty much. Yeah, that's what it is. But amazing, you know, and you know, beware, I'm going to do the Sign of the Cross because saying the sw skinwalker skivs me a bit, gives them power, lets them know where you are, according to lore. But I got the Hazus on my side. I'm all right, the armor of Jesus baby, that's right. Yeah, so check some of these out. You know, we'll link to the wikifandom whatever like we usually do. If you have any comments about these stories or the series in general, or some critters, maybe we can, you know, get off script and chase down your credit for you and do a little show. But you can reach us at Crazy Strange Days das Ze at gmail dot com. Let us know what you think. I know some of these shows are kind of rough because it's more Hollywood than it is legend lore. Yeah, that's why some of them. I think we combine if we don't see that there's a lot we can talk about there, but we want to cover each episode. Yeah, so like the hook Man, like we said, he's pretty that is pretty simple. Yeah, you know, and please five star rate and review where you get your podcasts, you know, tell a friend, Hey, you might like this. You like that supernatural show? We like it, Like I said, you know, we've been crushing on it for a while. It's pretty neat. Excuse me, I guess that's it's all right. All right, we're gonna be releasing a new uh and you guys won't hear this untill probably four or five weeks from now. So, but I'm gonna be doing a new Chasing Bad episode tonight, so you'll be by the time you hear this, there's already going to be four or five other Chasing Bads, So maybe I should stop pushing it on this. We'll just push it on the knees with them, all right. People say goodbye, Am, goodbye, we love Yeah. I to the fans, I'll check you out later that The Lady Days Days, the
