All right, welcome back everyone. We have CSD Supernatural episode four for you today. And obviously if you've been listening, you know what's going on. It's the show Supernatural. We're kind of following every episode and all the batties they come across and the beasts. We we kind of really don't stick too much in the show. We just use it to queue up a discussion in a tiny bit of research, you know, for you guys, about what this critter is, this beast e, this bad guy, and it's everything, just about everything in the whole run, you know, the fifteen seasons, everything except for like Sasquatch and UFOs kind of one episode has kind of and we've talked about this before because it's such a it's a funny episode and it sticks with people. It's actually a hilarious episode. But today, well I'm going to give you from Supernatural fandom a brief brief backstory ye synopsis of this this episode. So this is from episode six in the first season. It is called Skin. A shape shifter terrorizes a small town. Sam and Dean come to the end of or excuse me, come to the aid of Sam's old college buddy after he is accused of a murder he swears he didn't commit. The brothers discover a shape shifter is adopting the likeness of others in murdering people. That's pretty that's frightening. Yeah, what suck? Suck? What if you saw like him coming at you and he looked like you and took you out. Yeah, it's like your dopple ganger slash, mimic slash, just all around creepy way you go. So, the brothers race to stop. The brother's race to stop the shape shifter takes a terrifying turn when he shifts into the likeness of Dean, one of the heroes in the story. Yep, excuse me, So, I guess we can start with like, well, in the story, I know when we were watching it's been a little while since we watched it, but they said something that they were trying to figure out what it was. Just like in every show, they're trying to figure out what they're what they're fighting, right, So originally they thought it might be a doppelganger, but then they found out, no, it's a shape shifter, and this is one of the ones that is human to human shape shifter, and it it sheds its skin like a snake, so when it goes from one shape to another, it'll shed it. Yeah, So in this mythology, the show's mythology, a shape shift shifters, I guess like a human with special abilities. But it's almost like a sub human race because I think they come across these guys more than once. They shed their skin every time they shape shift. It's kind of gross. And yeah, so if you're tracking one of these guys, you keep finding like almost like snake shedding skin, you know. Yeah. And then they say in the in the show, their eyes glow, so that's another, yeah, way that they determine who what they are. And then is it eyeshine or they just independently glow. I don't. I was thinking, I don't know, I'm not because I don't remember. I don't either. But and then they said in the show it's almost like a werewolf. You had you have to kill it with the silver silver bullet in the heart in the in the show. Well, and that kind of that'll run with another like the Navajo skin walkers. I've heard that, like a silver bullet with ash or bullets with ash on it, like campfire ash or fireplace. Ash is like the only way to take those guys out. So that's interesting, you know. So it's like a lichen or whatever it is, likenthropy. Yeah, So shape shifters in general, though most people you would think of them as maybe the most common shape shifter would be a were wolf. You shift from human to were wolf, the Dracula were wolf. And I think the where wolf goes back to Greek mythology. So that's an old, old, old, you know, legend myth But but it's you know, that's and I don't know. I guess Greek mythology was probably during their you know, their small empire whatever, I don't know what they have. And I guess that was Alexander the Great, But that could have been propagated throughout other territories in the world. So I guess it could make its way to the Romans, to the you know, obviously to the English, because the English like where means man in Old English, so where wolf means man wolf. So but I don't see it traveling as far as like Japan or the Far East. I mean, I could be wrong. I guess the trade routes. I guess you could pick up the mythology. Yeah, I don't even know the prior to the Silk Road whatever that was. But but there doesn't seem to be much contact historically. But we were talking that I think that so there's almost we would categorize it against two different ways, right, so you would have like you'd be a shape shifter because you maybe were cursed, or you'd be a shape shifter. Like we talked again talking Greek mythology about like Zeus and all the gods they can you know, the little gods, right, the deities, the small g Yeah, they benef of them, they demi gods, I guess you uld call it. But they you know, could shape shift just and to anything an animal or human whatever whatever they want to take, whereas some of the ones we mentioned were wolves or you know, they could even become like inanimate objects like a not a tree of trees living, but like a stone. Yeah, you know, and there and there's even like I think there's so it's like shape shifting is such a because if you do research, you know, they always want to throw almost like the curse or the gods doing something to mortals, changing them into you know, Medusa sleeps with Poseidon in Athena's temple, and Athena gets angry, so she turns Medusa into a gorgon, yeah, or whatever she is with all the snakes, turns men into stone. That was her curse, and that was like a slight to Poseidon for having sex in the temple her temple. Yeah. So, but they were always doing those things to the poor humans. But so that was more of a a in a curse form where we're like I said, with the gods, it was you know, just free will. They could change to whatever they want. So, well, here's an interesting one too. I mean, it's such a there's such a variety, if you, i know, we have a strict like a modern mythology or modern culture, we have a stricter like okay, it's the werewolf, it's the skin walker, it's the wind to Go, it's you know, even in pop culture. So we hit there's some really cool ones because yeah, Loki, of course, but he's a you know, he's he's a supposed so he could. But you had what'd you say from X Men, what's her name? Mystique, she's like a big one in the comic book world, you have, and there's a number of them too Star Trek. Star Trek had like a whole changeling race that was like the Odo I think from Deep Space nine something. I think you said something, and like in that mythology in the Star Trek world, they were all these changelings were sent out from the home planet to learn about as babies, sent out to different corners of their known world and beyond their known universe to learn more about other races and things. And they're going to come back and report one day, which is kind of weird. But yeah, they can shape shift. I guess they're more accurately changeling. So yeah, and then you have it's full of you know, kids movies have to fairy tale. You know, you have what Beauty and the Beast he was, you know, the cursed type and Princess and the frog he was cursed by the shaman fairy tale. And then you have what was it you said, Ursula? Ursula from a little mermaid. Yeah, so but that was not from human to beasts. She was actually a mermaid turned to human. So but Ursula didn't she change her likeness? But did she have to use spells or something? Yeah, she but she changed herself to you know, into it's been forever. You've got the genie you know in Aladdin, So all these supernatural creatures can obviously I mean you and they're probably stealing from you know, the Bible where angels could take the likeness of men, because if you saw them in their natural state, you'd poop your pants and maybe die of a heart attack. Yeah, they're like horrifying. Some of them had four faces, some had a thousand eyes and looked like giant octopus like tentacles and thousands eyes. They look like demons. Man, Yeah, you'd be freaked out. Yeah, but yeah, so they often when they and the thing is they're you know, they're spiritual from another dimension, so did not really be walking on our planer be here. They have to take some kind of physical form, and they often take the form of a human, right, because there's that story in Sodom and Gomora, right where the angels came down. There were two of them. They made themselves look like men, and but they that was that lot who plead pleaded the humans case like there's good people here, so yeah, don't please don't destroy it. There are good people. Yeah, But the thing is that they came down in the form of men, and they were adonnis looking men apparently, So the gay men and the women of the city were all like, whoa, you look at those look at those two new guys. You had the gay guys going after them, and you had the women swooning over them as well, because they were, you know, very muscular, attractive looking men. That's that's the way they portrayed themselves. So so that's there's a warning for you. And I know this world's crazy, but maybe be kinder to people that you run into on day to day you know life. Somebody needs food, maybe offer them a meal, because they do say that you never know you might be meeting an angel. You know, you might be bumping into an angel. It's just be bopping around. He's got a job. But sometimes they you know, I'm sure they kind of take it, take it slow, check out the sights and sounds. So man, buy I'm a burger and a brew. But then we talked about, you know, another form of changing, but in the opposite way would be would you say familiars animals to humans obviously like familiars, which is you know, I think Berlin even had I can't remember what he had and a Sword and the Stone or King Arthur's legends, so wizards, which is shaman any practitioner of the I guess the occult doesn't necessarily mean they're worshiping the devil, but they're messing with stuff they probably shouldn't be in the occultic world. Yeah, it's but baby steps into that drect and you know, I mean you can go in so many different ways. I mean, do you said even Melissa Fant Yeah, Melissa the Newer, the Melissa Melissa whatever her name is movie. Yeah, she had a crow that turned into a human and he would do her little deeds and yeah, yeah, So I wonder if he was a familiar or he was just a race you know, I don't know, because he didn't e fight, Like, I don't know whatever. I'm getting sidetracked. So so litter all through just every major culture thousands of years ago, from Japan to England. I mean, I think somewhere I read that that's like one of the earliest like totems and just beliefs that we probably came out into caves with, like it's got to be based on things they've seen. Yeah, you know, there's so many strange things in the world, and I've heard you know, we can talk about. I mean, I don't know if you have anything else. I mean, I know there's some other stories from mythology, like Athena taking pity on this guy that I guess he was an artist that sculpted a beautiful statue of a woman and he fell in love with it, and she took pity on him and turned her into a living human being. You know. So well, I found this this I don't know what article it said that. Again, going back, like you said, prehistoric shape shifting, there's a cave that tosally dates back to thirteen thousand BC, and the description is called the Duvian. Yeah, they quote unquote, they call it the Sorcerer, and it gives impressions of both human and animal parts. And so it's on like two legs like a human. It's got horns like a deer or something, and a tail like maybe a deer. Now it's longer, so maybe like a wolf or dogtail. So I don't know. So it's it's multiple things mixed together, and it's on this cave. So France, yeah, France has that just that cave of petroglyphs and stuff that are really really, really old and well preserved. But I think if sciences, the archaeology and anthropologists would loosen up and be more open minded, I think that we could change history a bit. They need to be more flexible. I mean, even things that have been around forever, like the pyramids, there's so many they just pigeontoed it and they they make money off there. You know, just think of a scientist excuse me, that's been publishing papers for thirty years built on someone else's work and what they think they know the chain of a you know, kind of history, and what if it's it's all off. I mean, if you're still alive, you're not going to discredit your own work or those of your mentors or the people you're standing on upon their shoulders, because it just destroys your life's work. Yeah, and then maybe possibly your tenure, possibly you're any future your book deals because you'd have to rethink and evaluate the science. But you'd think if you were a true scientist, you know, science is always evolving, you're always learning new things. You could say, you know what, Yeah, that was my opinion at that time, because it's based on what we knew and just now we know more. And here's an example, just present day, real time almost that the lidar that they're using to find and what it is, it's almost like a sonar. It's an advanced sonar from an aerial vehicle that'll grid out certain sections of like the Amazon. This is this in this case the Amazon. I'm sure it works on ocean floors and other topographies, you know. But they found you'll see symmetry and unnatural like I've talked about in nature, there's not ninety degree angles, yeah, perfect, you know, measured out beautiful, you know, as nature is and is amazing Fibonacci sequences there. But that's highly you know, that's like much more advanced than a ninety degree angle, you know. But so they're picking up these rectangles and these and they found a city in the Amazon. And the lead archaeologist that's kind of heading this, this is his project, he's on the forefront of it. He said that in Mesoamerica he was told that there would be nothing in the Amazon. His mentors told him, don't even bother Yeah, only you know, study what we know and propagate it, keep going with it. Yeah, And he went against the grain. So I don't know if that was just a little blurb about maybe discouraging future, the new generation, the next generation as scientists, you know, searching for something new. Well, like you said, right, don't do it because the Amazon people were too stupid, is basically what this this older guy was telling them. Or he's just trying to make sure his legacy doesn't get that's my thought as well. And I even made a comment when I was doing that show. Can't remember which episode that was Last City and twenty five or twelve thousand, five hundred year old sphinx found in like Afghanistan or I can't remember Pakistan. It is so And that's what his remark was in response. I mean it kind of veiled, kind of you know, slap in the face light to that older generation. But he was like, if I would have listened to them, I would have never made this discovery. Yep. And it's one hundred and like thirteen square miles and now they're lied arring the next one hundred and thirteen square mile, you know, adjacent they're finding a series of sophisticated canals just all these things in these their homes were built on these raised platforms that are just covered in jungle. Now, yes, so nature just basically took it over. So that's why no in thousands of years. Yeah, So these are things that and that goes into you know, we can dive into. I think I dove in too much and I apologize to everyone, but I mean forever you could dive into you know, even the Pyramids and you know the technology there, and it's like, how do we not have any of that technology today? We still today we cannot reconstruct the Pyramids to the degree of precision that they were made. And you think with all the science and technology today we could do that, and we can't. So he did that. What always traps me, it makes me want to stop thinking about what they're teaching you about the Pyramids and the Sphinx is that copper chisels on the hardness scale that rose quartz and the different materials they were using, you can't it would bend. It's a harder material. Then it's like like that quartz is like and that stone is like on a three or four and copper's like a six or eight. Like if you tried to chisel that rock with a copper chisel, it would bend. Yeah, not actually be able to die, like, so how and then they find drill holes. And you know, I'm not saying they had like special lasers or anything kooky like that, but but I think that they had the knowledge. I just I just think they're not giving humans at the very least. I mean, we can get into the other aspects and like run other gamuts of what we think is happening in ancient technologies. But perhaps they had better tools and they're not giving the humans enough credit. Maybe, or perhaps it's just because there are our drill marks in stones. There's whole fields of stone that they didn't use because it cracked when they were trying to move it. Or they're like these giant like how were they gonna? You know, like what are tho? Those phallic symbols, the what are those called? Like the Washington Monument megala No, no, geez, I'm so stupid right now. I know what you're talking about. But you know a lot of those are just one piece. Yeah, you know what are they called? Oh my god, this is like my wheelhouse. It's early, still knocking the cobwebs off. But and I'm not really sure why we got down this road. Now. I was just trying to comment on the fact that, you know, like you were saying, maybe there's these creatures other things that existed, and you know, did they really exist that you started going down the science route. Is it mythological or is it some kind of is it an ancient race? Did a bunch of cave men and women eat have a fungus and whatever they are eating, you know, and they're hallucinating shape shifters, you know, men turning into beasts and back and forth. You know, I don't I can't answer that. But if it's happening everywhere, then yeah, I guess maybe they're all eating the same magic mushroom. But yeah, I just tie it. Whenever you see cultures that we're never crossing paths take the same like look at the Pyramids obelisk. Yeah, so there you go. But how do they have some of the same mythos mythology when they have never interruct But then you look at the damn Pyramids. I mean, one could say that's like almost we're because it's a very sturdy shape, you know, obviously extremely large base coming to a point, you know, at a certain degree, so you can't you can't knock get over even an earthquake, but probably sustain itself pretty well. So okay, you would think, okay, well humans are smart enough and with you know, math that wasn't that developed yet, that okay, they could pull that off because it's a shape that translates through other cultures because of human conscientiousness or human ability. But on the other hand, there's a lot of things like myths that well, speaking of the Egyptians, look at through, look at Through like I'm trying to scientifically kind of like why, but look at their hieroglyphs, right, I mean they have dog men, they have yeah, they have the one with the the bird. I can't remember, ice ices, I don't remember, but so, I mean, so they have these multi creature Is it a common theme in our human psyche to create nature a cross nature with many I don't know that one, but I think I don't think I buy mythology as much as I do technology. I mean, obviously certain civilizations are more technologically advanced at the same time period than others. You know, I mean even today, look at us in Third world countries. Well true, but let's look at where was that one that Donna Halle talked about, that beck Age globe. Yeah, tepe Or. She said that from a perspective of it's so high in the end, it's so high up that humans cannot no, no, no, no, that's that's the site in Turkey you're talking about. It has like an interesting because they you know, in meso America and South America, northern South America, they have it must be like up in the Andes where it's very high the eight thousand footmark where it becomes very hard to breathe. Yeah, she said that it's so high up. I think it's higher than eight thousands. Yeah, because she said it was so high up that humans cannot be up there from more than the Louvian it's like the ten thousand past the ten thousand year mark, I believe. So if people can't be up there for more than an hour, how could humans have built that city? Yeah, right, because you'd have to workers would have to be housed there, yes, water, food, because it was no, it was up on top of a mountain. So you know, if you couldn't be there for more than an hour, I mean what you'd have to have tremendous work, like scientists have to bring oxygen to study it. Yeah, and anybody that goes to visit has to have candle, Like if you're going to K two or the fricking you know, climbing Everest. At a certain point it's your oxygen dependent. Yeah, you need it. And so if you if you want to believe humans built that city, then you'd have to say, you'd have to have a tremendous workforce. You could shift them every hour. Yeah, I would, like, you've got to hope that they're getting down the hill. I'm sure there would be a mass grave to go alongside that epic build. So then who then who built that? Was it something supernatural? Well? I don't know. I mean, I don't think ten twenty thousand years ago that our atmosphere would be expand to the point where oxygen was higher. I just don't. I don't know what is it. It's like, was there more of water on the earth so it pushed the I don't know how that science works. I am not a scientist, but or it would they would tend I tend to believe that it would be much the same as it is today. We're not talking to the time of the dinosaurs, where the carbon and all this thing, there was much more it was like a rainforest whatever. But you know, we get to and somebody would know a geologists would be able to tell what with the strata and the you know, you know what I mean, if they study the layers and go back in time to that point up in there, they would be able to tell, you know, carbon and the atmospheric influences on geology. You know, they would somebody would certainly have come out and said, yeah, well there was there was more. There seems to have been more oxygen at that time, at this point of elevation. Yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't know, but it just seems to me that it's something more supernatural. I guess that's where we're going with this, and we're trying to reason out. I hope we haven't lost people because you're like, I just want to know about doppelgangers and shape shifters and mimics. Well, we didn't talk about mimics. I know, mimics are a frightening and that's kind of a new and I don't know if it's obviously there are cases in history and fairy tales and lore, you know, myths about and here's where and I haven't done. It's just a ton of research. But my own experience, I mean, and I don't know if there's stories to keep, like the Boogeyman stories, you know, back in the day the Dark Ages to keep for you know, two thousand and three thousand years ago, to keep your children closer to the village. You know, you don't want them to get lost, it's sucked into the river, raging river and disappear. But there's stories throughout the ages and again across all civilizations, and you know, geo geography, I guess from let's just say, from Japan or the far East to England again or the Americas that you know, you hear your mother's voice calling you in the deep from the deep dark woods, your mother's dad. Yeah, at first first coaxing, you know, come on, Sally, I made your favorite meal. And if that doesn't work, they get angrier, or they try, they get more desperate and cry for help, or you know, just these different voices that are familiar to you in some cases your own voice. And I've heard many like Sasquatch stories that are super freaky when there's a family unit of Sasquatch, and it usually involves like someone building a new house and a remote area, yeah, or an abandoned house fixing it up, or a property that's been in disuse for a long time, and you know they may The conclusion basically is a family of Sasquatch or a clan has kind of they're not living in the house, but they're on the property because of food sources, whatever old orchard that's run down or you know whatever. Yeah, and so they start harassing people. You know, everybody's like, oh, he's a spirit, dude, he's a good spirit, you know, of the forest. I wouldn't be so sure because there are some frightening you have disappearances too, But so Bigfoot evidently can mimic, they can whistle. There's a case in point where this man was leaving for work and he knew he had already taken his dogs out for the morning or whatever. He was up before the rest of the family. I mean, other things had been happening, like banging on the side of the house and seeing, you know, stuff zipping by your head while you're cutting the grass, and you know, just all this this harassment. Yeah, I mean things that are far more sinister and a bit more frightening to go along with it, but he started hearing his dog bark out in the woods. He's like, I just there's no way because my dog's in the house. I'd let him out one door, and you know, I'm in and out of that door this morning. Just one door. There's no other doors open. Everything's locked. And I'm sure these people have an alarm system. By now. They're freaking out. They don't know what they're dealing with. But so they he starts hearing his dogs barking in the woods. He's like, that's strange, double checks, dogs are in the house, locks up, goes to work. Now the wife and I'm not sure the same. I'm sure it's within a week. So she hears him, her husband, you know, calling the dogs in the woods, come here, rusty, rusty, these dudes at work. You know, she's getting ready to go grocery shop and or pick the kids up or go to work herself, depending on shift. I don't know and don't remember, but I remember this story because I was just like, you gotta be shitting me. Oh sorry, peep peep. So are there things in the woods that can mimic our voices and try to lure us? Like? Why else? Would and even beckoning. I mean it escalated. You know, the husband ends up like shooting shotgun blasts into the woods carrying a three h eight you know, rifle hunting, rayful, you know he's outside. I mean it just progresses. Yeah, it gets terrifying, and you know, like to the point where they're they're calling them out, even taunting in his own voice to him, the ca rick, hey, dude, come on out in the woods and play with us. Yeah. And it's not like perfect because you hear people saying okay, especially researchers once people that are around them. They may not be researchers, but they hear like I guess like owls hooting, and they're like it's really it's a real good but it's like super loud. It's like it's a real good impression, but it's not quite right. So if somebody who knows owls and how they happen, right, and then coyotes, wolves, things like this, they evidently they mimic or can other animals. Yeah, and as a primate, I think they're primates. Yeah, personally I think they're the North American ape or something. Yeah, yeah, giganic pithecus or whatever the hell that lost giant ape is something, you know, a different course, Like we ran this way, they ran this way. Maybe we were kind of alive at the same time and in larger They had a larger population and we you know, because evidently we were hunting Neanderthals into the nineteen twenties. Yeah, like humans used to band together in ancient times, right, yeah, and they killed them out. We're the ones that killed the Neanderthals and probably other sub races. Yeah, you know they're afraid of them, you know, yeah for sure. Right they start stealing your kids or trying to rape your women, the guys are going to get together and they're going to hunt them. Yeah, because if their populations are dwindling and they needed, you know, to rebuild their population, they'd go, oh, well, there's no women in our population, so we're going to steal them from this other tribe. So I guess that is that the point of like, you know, the shape Shifter, the man that were women because we are not shape shifter, but more specifically the uh not the wind to Go, the one I hate saying his name, Skinwalker. Yeah. The once you've done that bad that black evil magic, taking something you love, like your daughter, your father, and you kill them as part as this ritual. As some some say, I mean, I'm not totally privy to because I don't like even dwelling on this subject. Yeah, thinking about it too much. I got a little native in me, so that kind of tack the brothers out west, you know, their advice and not try to manifest it. So because sometimes you dabble in things and you open doors and you don't realize they're opening. There's just certain things that I need to get more brave about to speak. I mean as a child. You know, maybe I'm childlike in a way where I'm a little apprehensive. I'm not as brave as I but maybe I got I got feeling and I'm like, yay, I don't want to mess with that too. Yeah, That's what I'm saying, is like I don't want us be scared. Like little kids that dabble in ouiji boards. They think it's just fun and it's nothing, it's going to do nothing, but they open doors. They open doors to things that you might only open it a crack, so you might think, oh, nothing happened, but that crack keeps widening over time. The more you play around with it, so we'll get to like part of the magic. And I don't know, maybe this is more of an ancient thing than we We just attribute it to the Navajo and the Utes, and they're you know, but the Navajo specifically the Utes, I think were that's a whole other story in their history. But so you've got to do some evil stuff to get to that level of magic, to become a skin walker, to be able to transform yourself. And and you know they say that if they wear like a wolf skin, they can become I mean either like something like a dire wolf or something a bit more gross in like a mashup, a horrifying mashup. So you know, it's not like pure like God made a human and God made it a wolf for a canine beautiful. You know, humans are perfect, the animal's perfect. You know this is some kind of gross combination. Like you saw it, you'd vomit. You knew it was unholy or you know, evil. So they take the skin of the animal they want to manipulate for the evening to do whatever they're doing. Chase cars. I mean, there's some horrifying there's a run of in New Mexico. It's on a reservation where you hear a lot of stories as a highway that cuts through it, a two lane, four lane. I don't know, but people will be cruising there in the middle of the night, two o'clock in the morning and I'll look over and there's one of these grotesque things pacing their car that's seventy five miles an hour, running right alongside them, sometimes even scratching. There's when they finally get to their destination, there's like claw marks, a busted windshield. Yeah, you know, trying to get into the people. Yeah. So yeah, I'm getting chills right now. Man, it freaks me out. Freaks. Could you imagine coming home from work, maybe you work an hour away, only you on the road that stretch a highway and you see something. I mean, it'd be horrifying just to see something standing at the side of the road. Yeah, yeah, let alone pacing you that's seventy miles an hour. And there's a story of two cops coming back from like canine training and one was behind the other and they were speed and there was a recording of them talking too. Really yeah, because I guess when you're on and it must have been close in the up to their home base to use the CBE radio. The radio calms, so when you're on that and they're just they're not like having conversations, but they're you know, I guess they could have picked up there, but it's easier just to pick your Milwaukee or whatever up. And hey, did you see that? Yeah? So and these dudes like it came from the side and hit like the front, the front cruiser the first one. But before that, I guess the dog was going nuts in the back. The shepherd's going nuts, the canine officer. Yeah, either that or saw it coming. Yeah, and it hit. And then these are like the Explorers, the Fords, SUVs h it hit it and the dude behinds like, you know, popping off like, I don't know what that was. Let's hit the freaking you know, the pedal to the metal, bro. Yeah. And they got out and there they said they were probably doing like excess one hundred miles an hour trying to get away from this crazy ass thing. And that's a wild story too. So they're all these stories even modern day and you know, okay, maybe and there are some world class storytellers out there, you know, and we need that. And I mean We've always need people like that to like a verbal history, you know, when you weren't able, we weren't able to record, right, So those were the people usually the shaman or an elder or a group of elders would take that on. And that's what a lot of these cave drawings and different things were. It was a way to document your history and what's your knowledge and what you see. So when you see these weird animals on a cave, you're like, what is that? You know? Did that really? Did they see it? Maybe that's why they drew it, because maybe they thought that's what I'm thinking, because it's more of a historical record, unless it like in any way that that that that early in the history. I think it's more of what they're hunting the seasons because you see the antelope. Yeah, but what I'm saying is that if they didn't have a good choral you know, tradition, tradition, they might not be able to describe it. So they drew it. Yeah, well yeah, you know what I mean, And then people could see it or they it might be saying, oh for my children to get watch out for this. Well, then we go to like, what were those people, and we were just listening to the newspaper wall it's petrock glyfts. Is that in Utah like southern Utah or is it New Mexico somewhere I don't remember what. It's a lost tribe and they were like the Pueblo. They built their homes in the out of the rock or yeah, in the under ledges or whatever, in canyons. Yeah, but they disappeared and there was a record of them or was it told by another people about them? On that newspaper rock with all the petrock glyphs. I'm not sure who wrote. Well you can look that up, but it's crazy. They showed basically like a lizard with a halo. Yeah, So I don't know if it was this shape shifting critter or that was a fallen angel angel or well, what was Lucifer? He was an angel? Yeah? Would you think he would have a halo? Maybe? And he was? He was? He wasn't a cherubim he was a was he a cherubim? He was the ones that sit in God's throne Cherubim. They're the ones with four faces and they or some of them are like lions heads, some of them are like lizards, some of them are, but the watchers. It goes back to like he was probably the fifth watcher the Bible, and he talks about four human domesticated animals. Yeah, wild animals, barrel animals. In so the lion had represented the wild. No, no, the lion had represented the wild animals. The ones that looked like a bull or you know, represented the domesticated animals. Of course the human and then there was the bird. The bird, okay, so the one that wasn't represented was lizard. So they think, I forget what his name is. He thinks that there might have been a fifth watcher and it wasn't described because that would have been Lucifer and he was cast out of heaven so there was nobody to watch it. And Jesus says, Lucifer was cast out of heaven like a like a falling star, like a meteor. And people think that the Gulf of Mexico, that strike that killed the reptiles off right, they killed the dinosaurs years ago. So his own the ray, the part of the ecology that he represented or protected or propacuted, would make sense, that wouldn't I don't know. He's saying, well, we don't need you. You don't need you to watch over your your your dominion. I need more concrete evidence for that story. Yeah, but I'm not debating whether or not there's good and evil or God and the devil. I mean, you can take it in so many directions if you want to get theological or even Isn't it interesting though? Through most cultures when when they talk, when they show evil things or things, it's often the snake, you know what I mean. I mean, of course the Bible, Adam and Eve were you know, yeah story. But but I mean, but a lot of cultures, like you're talking about that newspaper one in in out West, well, listen, even in our shape shifting over in Asia, I think Eastern India, you know, Asian they have their their myths about snakes that turn into humans. So it's the animal to the I believe. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's so many of those stories. Yeah, you know that it's not as simple as just a were wolf or you know, Dracula turning into a bat or a dog or a canine whatever, a wolf. And that's that's basically where I always thought, that was where my space was for shape shifters, humans turning into something else yeah, you know, not animals turning into humans. And obviously I don't know if I would really lump. I mean, okay, then we have curses. Then we have the small the little gods, the little g gods doing all this stuff, turning people into even our own god, you know, the pillar assault. You know, that's not the first time, you know, with Sodom and Gomorah don't look back. Yeah, you know Lot's wife, right, so you know, and even the ancients, the you know, turning people the trees or statues or whatever in adamant objects. Yeah, you know, but going down, going back to that paper one and remember that they said not only was it like a lizardy one with a halo, but they also had depictions looked like aliens. I think, yeah, all kinds of things, the q tip headed like the little grays with the big bulbous head. So you know. And I remember in college taking an anthropology class and we talked about I don't remember if it was Incas or the aztext was mes America. Yeah, it was something down there, and they showed that, you know, they had what looked like a runway in the top of the mountain and in some of their depictions on their their temples. They it looked like an alien in a spaceship, you know, yeah, And I'm just like, that's yeah, I know what you're talking. Yeah, but but it's so crazy and some even look like then there's the astronauts. It looked like astronauts and spacesuits. Yeah, but rual bizarre stuff. But it's like back then. But do you think it's the case like the black Hawk helicopter and the Egyptian para hieroglyphs that every time there's a new king, they erase, they just put their name in there. They just go right over stuff. And sometimes it's kind of hockey and then it looks like a spaceship or a rocket or it's possible. Yeah, that's possible, but but it's you know, but it is interesting, how okay, you have this mess American ancient culture, you have the Native American culture out west, both of them showing aliens. And then I thought that was more of a more modern you know, cuss Quale, the hell the white shows up in a boat because a lot of that those stories. He's also represented by this the flying the snake with wings. Yeah, he's a white man with blue eyes. And blonde hair or white hair just shows up on this boat. Yeah, and they said it in a lot of those cultures down there, people didn't have they didn't grow beers, like a lot of Asians don't grow full beer. So like, well, where did this guy? That's your badass kung fu guy. You've got the food man chew and the wispy beard. But they said a lot of Native Americans don't grow they don't have fish there. So yeah, I don't think like the planes. Yeah maybe out west they do. So this person came from somewhere. But all right, but we're coming way off topic, I know, but it's it's a fun early morning uh like coffee tea conversation for us and I kind of like so high level. So you you know, shape shifters come in many forms. You know, they could be again a god, demmy god, whatever that's taking that has the ability to just to shift into multiple things. There a spirit energy that's been around for a very long time. Yeah, looking for a host. But you know, or you have the again the chatic like think about the possession. You know, they do all kinds of possessed people do all kinds of crazy stuff in human yeah, but so you have you know, or we talked about curses, where you know, it's just always the same thing. You're always a werewolf, always curses suck. But and then familiars. So you can go down lots of roads with this. So I think that you know, this is a broad topic. You can go down many different roads. So I think we've pretty much covered the high level the basics. Yeah, very fun. I actually didn't want to do this. I was whining about it and EM got mad at me and stormed out of the studio and I'm like, Okay, I better get my crap together. So but I really enjoyed it. It's like you said, it's very broad. There's a number of things to think about to consider, and it's wild. So I hope you guys enjoyed it. We're gonna I think next the next episode is what the hook Man? Oh, this is so good. I have my own story. Oh yeah, we even had that myth around here where we're from now we live out there where the hook Man lived when I was a teenager. Anyhow, But so thanks for joining us. I hope these shows get better and better because we're still trying to work the kinks out. It's kind of it's kind of evolving as we go, so have a little patience because if you like this episode, then expect more of these types of episodes. I think this is how the structure is going to run. More baddies, less supernatural this show. But you know, kudos to them because that's while we're talking about it. No, the show is still good and we encourage everybody to watch it. Shows. It's fun if you like yep supernatural. Kids love it. Yeah, so it's definitely worth your time, especially binging in in the winter months. Yeah, so thanks for spending your precious time listening to us. We're going to do better and we're going to bring you content, so stick it out. I have been mixed strange. That has been the world's the house's smartest woman. Am I am good Night five star rate review as any Day Ladies, nobody Dad, excluding
